Pre-Retcon. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder was being overwhelmed by The Phoenix Force. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Name: The Living Tribunal Origin. 7. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. @amendment50 @jardinain2 @decaf_wizard @watcher5000 Can help you out with his feats. but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. 3 + (STR*0. I just want to gauge how strong marvel characters would be in relation to morningstar. ago. 8 years ago. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. #15 Azronger. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. Teams that give him a good enough fight to make him respect them he lets live. A statement from Mephisto referring to that part of power as "so potenti is this. 1 Answer. Manhattan. 2. True Form Pennywise ain't on Pre-Retcon Beyonder's level, lol. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power? Scan in question. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel". -5. Followers. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. Hence, in. He. xyrzrockrain. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP). Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. ^2 + DUR^1. 0. 1. Follow. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. 81. What teams could maybe stand a chance against pre-retcon Beyonder? Total defeat optional (if possible). Tier: Stellar | Endless | Realium | Transcendent: Keys: Base Galactus power absorbed | Infamous Iron-Man | Dual Infinity Gauntlet God Emperor Doom | Pre-Retcon Beyonder absorbed: Extra: Simple words can't describe the glory of Dr Doom, as Galactus, he deserve more than 5 stars 😤Beyonder and Lucifer gets blinked by Shinra with his narrative manipulation. It’s not. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Beyonder wins with high difficulty . Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. 2. Abilites and Powers: Nigh Omnipotence,. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. Round 2: Franklin wins. 1. hÀng nguyÊn bẢn- beyonder pre-retcon; 2. R1/R2 - Depends which Post retcon as their is two, this goes for Molecule man also, the Half Cosmic cube MM and Beyonder and the Inhuman/mutant Beyonder and the Beyonders powered MM. ^2 + DUR^1. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. That's clearly an difference in power/authority. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. 2. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. It would be the Inhuman/mutant beyonder powers so Post Retcon but not the trash Cosmic Cube one. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. 12984. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. Beyonder was everything inside the Multi-verse. Created by. this is the Speed Tier List and how to put down the Speed on a Character Profile will be determined by these Reaction / Reflexes - the ability to distinguish between the movement of objects at a certain speed with a small distance (melee, less than 2 meters), with the possibility of taking any whatsoever countermeasures at this time, such as avoidance or. The entire Watcher. If someone can actually name a more. Especially Yujiro's penis. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. ProfessorRespect. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. 43. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. M. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. Alovenus is the strongest in fiction since Alovenus>Omnipotent beings. Multiversal. Cosmic. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Beyonder. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. ago. Yakushimi. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. 2 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. That's actually like a low showing for him. I/O, Demonbane, Cthulhu Mythos, Umineko, and Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou. Beyonder Boy ("Incomplete Cosmic Cube"): Single Mother of Three (Perpetua): Noneless21 He/Him 7,323 4,911. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. 7 K. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Bait? 1 year ago. The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. He encompasses all of dimensionality, but he does not transcend it. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. So wow great feat. Open comment sort options Best; Top; New. Nice. He's been away from the Marvel Universe for a while but now he's back in all of his overpowered. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. Sungsam. Hi all😅 i want upgrade beyonder profile :) Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is. It should however be noted that sometimes having overall destructive capacity is not enough to defeat others that have "broken" or "hax" abilities. Follow 3209. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far above the Living Tribunal. Why? Because beyonder powers are const and limited. @higherpower: I'd be delighted if you can name more than five people who can "blink" a Pre-Retcon Beyonder level character "out of existence. But that doesn't mean Perpetua's feats are bad. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Beyonder is a cosmic Marvel Comics comic entity created by Jim Shooter, Mike Zeck and John Beatty. Beyonder is a million times larger than an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse, the difference between him and an Omniverse is far greater than the one between MM. Street----- Post-retcon isn’t anywhere near as powerful as Classic (Pre), but he’s still pretty powerful. This was the same time the first Secret Wars wherein Beyonder first. 5)^2 + DUR^1. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. #. 11,059. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. It depends which version of Molecule Man, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man will win against Dr. Yeah,it’s been retconned . Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. Featherine is way above than Beyonder. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. You do realize Pre-Retcon Beyonder is like, the second or third most powerful comic book character ever, while Anti-Monitor wouldn't even be in the Top 10. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. Pre Retcon Beyonder. . Morals off. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itHe unretconned himself and became Omega Beyonder, being just as powerful—potentially even more stronger then his Pre-Retcon version form/version that he used to be. Creaturemaster971. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. I agree with his tier, but one thing I don't understand is how is beyonder above Oblivion when he is just above existene while Oblivion is not part of. @amendment50 @jardinain2 @decaf_wizard @watcher5000 Can help you out with his feats. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. #4. Using the Pre-Retcon Beyonder here is just severe overkill. The Beyonder is a fictional character appearing in comicbooks published by Marvel Comics. please everyone change your vote there is no way Beyonder (pre retcon) looses here the "FRA" movement here is based off a. my favourite DC tier 1 Beyonder: 1 TTR: Over 8 The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Quantu. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. Location-The Multiverse. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. So I might be missing something. God-Tier John armed with his Retcon Powers tries to solo your favorite verse. So much so that the MU was below it's notice. . But it wont be easy by no means. If we separate the pre-Retcon Beyonder from the current current lineup, it's probably more powerful than an infinite dimensional multiverse, and even the highest-level beings in it are far more powerful than those who didn't fully transcend the concept of dimension at the time. The Beyond Realm is a existence that is beyond and older than the current Marvel Omniverse, Originally a realm that was from the Original Beyonder and due to retcons is currently housed by the Omnipotential beings known as The Beyonders. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Sep 20, 2018. If I argue against you it's because I find your logic flawed and won't count your vote unless you provide sufficient. The Watchers. he has base stats of high island ap and dura with near sol speed and ftl combat speed. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. With that said: Beyonder has ultimate authority in a void. I have him at Multiversal. New comments cannot be posted. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Phoenix attacks Beyonder with all her power, Beyonder don't even flinch. . ago. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. . "But only in their dreams can men be truly free. However, since infinite force and energy is the highest degree of strength that a character can reach in terms of physics there would be no level of power above what is necessary to destroy an infinite universe, i. The Beyonder should easily be Tier 0 and here's why:-. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel : 2, 2016. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Forum Posts. Tier Sıralamasını benden iyi biliyorsan Elder Scrolls taki Dragonborn, Kratos ve Dante gibi karakterlerin tüm Mcu. Jan 22, 2018; Thread starter #2 bump . The Voice - This is the most "active" version of God, When The Voice uttered the first word, it created The Word. Both Beyonder (assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. Since u said their "own" verse. Basically, either or both can be considered to be the presence, in either it's evil or good forms. Comparing Multi-Eternity to baseline High 1-B, like the Glory is, is like comparing 10-B to High 3-A, or Low 2-C to 2-A. After the retcon that wasn't the case. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. COIE Anti Monitor. Transcendent. #1 KalKent1297. True form DS power is unknown. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined, thats what convinces me he is above TOAA. It's simple. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 12 days ago. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. These are characters that have all three omnipotent qualities. Scan 1 and Scan 2. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2, 2019; Tags aka beyonder (pre-retcon) marvel comics the elder scrolls 1; 2; Next. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. However, the Beyonder is beyond (pun wholly, shamelessly intended) simply universe level+. R2: God stomps. He could possibly neutralise Doc and Sun with science alone but the others are true top-end with actual god tier powers. 2 years ago. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. island. The realm is known as the Engine Room, The Wild Spaces Beyond Reality, Heaven, The Mystery, The. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. They’re 50 tonners at most. 5: Anyone with The Infinity Gauntlet (When it could be used in Unison)You need to be logged in to post comments. Thought Robot without any effort. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. Manhattan will almost vaporize all the people in here, but he will stop at Molecule Man or TOAA. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. -Everything in bleach. akuto fictionally transcends an uncountably infinite layered hierarchy of characters who are above the concepts of space & time and/or platonic forms in nature which also contains all possibilities & impossibilities, & each tier in the hierarchy fictionally transcends the one below it, making even the lowest characters in the hierarchy very high into high. Random encounter. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. First Tier Mages vs Molecule Ma Round 1: The Mages are sane and aren't Marauders. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol. SirMethos. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is a nigh omnipotent high tier multiversal reality warper there is no way in hell Anti-Spiral or even Simon could win against someone on that level of power. Pre retcon Beyonder is probably the closest you'd get, I'd say Lucifer could even beat the living tribunal, not really anyone else who comes close. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Creation. Omnipotent, Beyonder organized an event called Secret Wars, in which he kidnapped the most important superheroes and supervillains in the Marvel universe, for a confrontation between them on a distant planet. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Beyonder and Thanos . He would also be the main villain in. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. 140. Forum Posts. Key: Incomplete Cosmic Cube | Ascended Cosmic Cube (Kosmos) | Adult Beyonder | Escaped from the House of Ideas. here is a fight that involves. Lucifer from DC comics (new-earth). Follow 41314. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Member. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. I mean even Thor was cracking those versions, so unless the writers really wanted Beyonder-tier Thor I think it's pretty obvious that they weren't at 100% in those forms. Doom absorbed the power of Galactus to unlock more of MM's power and MM eventually needed everyone's help (especially Silver Surfer) to defeat the Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation)beyonder (pre-retcon) eternity galactus (marvel comics) marvel comics molecule man oblivion thanos (marvel comics) the beyonders the first firmament the living tribunal Replies: 12; Forum: Questions and AnswersPre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. Can Giratina save all of reality from his rage? Or will it die trying? Location: The Negative Zone Win by. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Beyonder scaled above all. #8 Edited By Sungsam. K. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. Tier: 1-B | 1-A. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. Mephisto saying the same power from Beyonder himself collected had potential to actually defeat Beyonder. Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. . -. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Follow 1963. 1. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. M. Reply Beyonder (Marvel) Respect The Beyonders (Marvel) Homelander (The Boys) Respect Homelander! (The Boys, Dynamite) Respect Homelander (Amazon's The Boys) Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. ago. R1/R2 - Depends which Post retcon as their is two, this goes for Molecule man also, the Half Cosmic cube MM and Beyonder and the Inhuman/mutant Beyonder and the Beyonders powered MM. Wiki Points. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. He wins. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. 124. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Beyonder is a top tier reality warper there is no spoon there is no trigger there is no SOK. This was obviously an insane level of power so he was eventually retconned to be weaker and also. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. One shieldy boi. In terms of straight up feats CAS Lucifer and Mandrakk all technically show better feats then Perpetua. This is just plain wrong, we see SK fighting abstract entities like the 5th God who infinitely dwarf the entire collective of human consciousness, wich in the verse includes Platonic and Neoplatonic philosophy, several religions like Buddhism and Taoism, and alephs and other higher teir mathematics. I am still wondering, the summary clearly says Racher Summers could beat the Beyonder if she absorbed all life force. Similarly, two characters in the same tier need not necessarily be equivalent in terms of power. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. The Beyonder is basically the "The One Above All" of his own multiverse. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Not even remotely close. Well, they are treated as the same character, the Beyonder who showed up post-retcon is, canonically, the same Beyonder who showed up pre-Retcon. Interesting. 16 days ago TheDevil98Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. Hajun via feats and implied power. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. TF Pennywise should actually be a tier below Beyonder. #1. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Wiki Points. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 3. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. Even if you want to argue that Beyonder is stronger, it doesn't matter, since Death has already feats of claiming infinite-dimensional entities, that are even. Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. And if we are talking about Cosmic hierarchy then Perpetua is higher tier then Mandrakk. so i think the only characters. Rune King Thor is still under beings such as The Living Tribunal infinitely. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. Example: If a character is in the upper range of a tier such as Solar System level, said character will be listed as "Solar System level+", not "High Solar System level". Manhattan is a low-medium tier matter manipulator. Tier: Varies, At least 2-A | At least 1-B, Likely Higher | Likely 1-A, Far Higher | High 1-A. . 1. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol.